FRANKFURT –– An unexpected decline in optimism among managers in Germany has added to concerns about the country’s growth prospects.
Germany’s Ifo economics institute said Wednesday that its latest survey of domestic companies produced a drop in the headline business climate index for the first time this year. The September measure fell to 87.7 points from a downwardly revised 88.9 reading last month. Economists had expected the measure to improve to 89.4.
Until this report, the headline rate had risen every month in 2025 except for the sideways slide in February.
This decrease in this month’s expectations component for the coming six months was also a surprise. It fell to 89.7 points versus the market forecast of 92.0 and last month’s downwardly revised reading of 91.4.
The unexpected fall in the current conditions measure of the index pushed it to 85.7 points compared to the market estimate of 86.6 and August’s mark of 86.4.
“Prospects for an economic recovery have suffered a setback,” Ifo said.
Along with the dip in the overall index, Ifo said the business climate worsened for three of each of the four sectors covered by the survey, namely manufacturing, services and trade. It noted that the construction index improved.
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The decline in business confidence comes just days after the country started down the path that could unleash more than a trillion euros in spending, with the military and domestic infrastructure programmes expected to receive hundreds of billions in investment in the years ahead.
Additionally, the Bundesbank, Germany’s central bank, said growth was likely this quarter.
However, as if on cue, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz announced Wednesday morning that German business and labour leaders “are deeply worried” about the prospects for their jobs and companies.
Speaking to the country’s lower house during the debate over next year’s budget, he warned that all who adhere to Western values are “perhaps facing their greatest test.” Merz forewent a trip to the UN General Assembly to deal with budget talks at home.
More bad news for Europe’s largest economy came Tuesday when the OECD cut a tenth of a percentage point from its growth forecasts from earlier this year, dropping the outlook for GDP in 2025 to 0.3% and to 1.1% in 2026.
On the upside, German investor confidence rose unexpectedly this month after its first decline in four months in August.
And September’s preliminary purchasing manager indices from Germany offered mixed views on the situation, according to S&P Global. Its composite reading improved to a 16-month high of 52.4 points from 50.5 in July, pushing if further beyond the 50-point line separating growth territory above from contraction below. The manufacturing component fell unexpectedly to a two-month low of 48.5, but the services reading climbed to 52.5, an eight-month high.
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- Headline rate falls for first time this year
- German PMIs offer mixed results
- Berlin spending spree underway
By Eric Culp, European Editor
LiveSquawk News
@eculp.bsky.social
@EricCulpLS
24 September 2025 | 09:00 GMT
FRANKFURT –– An unexpected decline in optimism among managers in Germany has added to concerns about the country’s growth prospects.
Germany’s Ifo economics institute said Wednesday that its latest survey of domestic companies produced a drop in the headline business climate index for the first time this year. The September measure fell to 87.7 points from a downwardly revised 88.9 reading last month. Economists had expected the measure to improve to 89.4.
Until this report, the headline rate had risen every month in 2025 except for the sideways slide in February.
This decrease in this month’s expectations component for the coming six months was also a surprise. It fell to 89.7 points versus the market forecast of 92.0 and last month’s downwardly revised reading of 91.4.
The unexpected fall in the current conditions measure of the index pushed it to 85.7 points compared to the market estimate of 86.6 and August’s mark of 86.4.
“Prospects for an economic recovery have suffered a setback,” Ifo said.
Along with the dip in the overall index, Ifo said the business climate worsened for three of each of the four sectors covered by the survey, namely manufacturing, services and trade. It noted that the construction index improved.
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The decline in business confidence comes just days after the country started down the path that could unleash more than a trillion euros in spending, with the military and domestic infrastructure programmes expected to receive hundreds of billions in investment in the years ahead.
Additionally, the Bundesbank, Germany’s central bank, said growth was likely this quarter.
However, as if on cue, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz announced Wednesday morning that German business and labour leaders “are deeply worried” about the prospects for their jobs and companies.
Speaking to the country’s lower house during the debate over next year’s budget, he warned that all who adhere to Western values are “perhaps facing their greatest test.” Merz forewent a trip to the UN General Assembly to deal with budget talks at home.
More bad news for Europe’s largest economy came Tuesday when the OECD cut a tenth of a percentage point from its growth forecasts from earlier this year, dropping the outlook for GDP in 2025 to 0.3% and to 1.1% in 2026.
On the upside, German investor confidence rose unexpectedly this month after its first decline in four months in August.
And September’s preliminary purchasing manager indices from Germany offered mixed views on the situation, according to S&P Global. Its composite reading improved to a 16-month high of 52.4 points from 50.5 in July, pushing if further beyond the 50-point line separating growth territory above from contraction below. The manufacturing component fell unexpectedly to a two-month low of 48.5, but the services reading climbed to 52.5, an eight-month high.
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